Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 [00:00:01] Welcome to another edition of ReFramed, Preservation for a New Day, where beloved old spaces are reimagined. We take a deep dive into the preservation of an amazing historic space. What did it used to be, what is it now, and how did it happen? It's adaptive reuse and heritage for all, brought to you by History Colorado and hosted by me, Dawn DePrince, Colorado State Historic Preservation Officer. Well, today we are here with Brandon and Antonia Weiss with Fawn Hollow, and you all are in Larimer County, is that correct? Correct. Excellent. And just almost in the last week or two, just brand new listing on the National Historic Register, is that, correct? 

Speaker 2 [00:00:56] Correct. We just started shopping for our plaques for the building. So excited about that. 

Speaker 1 [00:01:02] Excellent. Well, please tell us about, this is a very, I think, unusual but fantastic historic structure. Can you describe this building to us, the Kwanzaa Hut? Sure. 

Speaker 2 [00:01:17] A World War II era double-barreled quonset hut. Typically they're a single barrel, but we have a very rare double barrel. So they're two quonsets huts melded together with a beam going through the middle to support that. And it was brought over here to our best. I mean, they really don't know its exact origin. But we do know once World War Two ended that a lot of them were brought over to CSU for post-war housing. And then they were sold shortly after for various things, for shops, stores, churches. And we're not sure how ours came to be purchased, but I'll probably let you. Sure. Yeah, go ahead. 

Speaker 3 [00:02:08] Yeah, so it could have been straight from a retailer, it could've been purchased from CSU. It is a very unique Quonset hut in that, as she mentioned, it's the double barrel. And then it's also the second story of a building, which is also very rare. Typically, as most people know, a Quonsett hut is those, the buildings that look like a culvert, cut in half, sitting on the ground. And we don't know if he bought a single culvert or a single Quonsent hut, chopped it in half and put it together, or if you bought two. Not clear but uh Ron who did the um state nomination has done all the research and he's only aware of one other double barrel in the state of Colorado down in Pueblo so a very unique building and It's the only one that's two stories. So it's a very unique building. 

Speaker 1 [00:02:55] Yeah, it's, it is amazing. Um, and can you share with us what life it has had? What, what has it been in this, uh, double barrel life that it has had? 

Speaker 3 [00:03:08] Yeah. So, uh, 1950, when it first opened its doors, it was actually a glass shop. Uh, and it was that for less than a year. And then, uh George Lee, who owned it at that time, uh turned it into the Fawn Hollows store in 1951. So the Fawne Hollows Store was a, like a convenience store. They had bait hunting. Outdoor gear, some simple groceries, things like that. And that was what it was until 1960. George sold the store. And in 1960, it became a it was still a Fawn Hollow Snore, but they added a snack bar to it. So it was selling snacks, helping the travelers, you know, coming in and out of the mountains. And I guess the Big Thompson Water Project back in the day drew quite a few workers, engineers to the area. So supported those people as well. Changed hands a number of times. It was always kind of the same thing up until 1975 or so. At that point, it became the Fon Hollow Cafe. So it was mostly known as just a small store and a cafe. They operated that for about a year. And then the scoopies from the Czechoslovakia came over and started a restaurant. They ran the restaurant the bohemian cottage is the one that most people recognize it for they ran that from 75 to 1984 and then they sold that to the lamperts who were the last people to operate that restaurant and they operated the bohemia cottage restaurant all the way up until 2012 so post 2012 it's basically sat vacant you know the previous owners i think had some family staying there for a while, but. Yeah, that was the last time it was used as a business was 2012. 

Speaker 2 [00:05:01] Most people locally recognize it as the bohemian cottage, even though we're being honored for it being the von Holler store, it was very eclectically painted. It was very 70s, very bohemians. And yeah, most people when you say the double-barreled Kwanzaa hut, they're very aware of the bohemian cottage restaurant and its history that it had. 

Speaker 1 [00:05:24] Yes, I was a student at CSU in the 90s and, you know, did lots of driving around the area and certainly remember it on my travels through Larimer County and definitely remember the Bohemian vibes of the place. But I love all this Cold War era, but post World War II, like innovation and ingenuity and like reusing these materials and all of the different lives this structure has had, which brings us to today and what has inspired you all to take on this spectacular structure and give it new life. 

Speaker 2 [00:06:10] Gosh, I'll never forget walking through with our broker. And we had just finished a six-month RV tour of the Pacific Northwest. And we're looking to downsize. And we saw the upper property where we live above it that sits right above the Fawn Hollow store. And we knew we didn't want to own the residents that we're in now without having control of what was below it. But I will never forget touring that property. It wasn't for sale at the time. And there was just something about it. It was, you could feel the history. You could feel how special it was. And it was, I mean, the garden had just been overtaken. The chicken coop was falling apart. I mean its age was showing and our broker was like. What are you, what are we doing? I'm like, this is so cool. And I could instantly see spaces. It was just, I literally, every garden that you see in this two and a half acre garden, I can see before it ever, I mean, now we've done so much work, but I could, I could see the beauty in it. And it just spoke to me. It's, I don't know, I guess just the history of it. It was just amazing. And the land itself is just beautiful. 

Speaker 3 [00:07:32] My vision was a little bit different. I haven't had any interest in historical properties at all, and when we purchased it, I looked at it more as it's an outbuilding down there. I'm considering, gosh, what are we going to do with this? Are we going to have to tear it down? What do we want with this, and then my wife I've, you know, talked to the stories she was thinking of and what she was envisioning And then... You know, as we progressed and we got connected with Ron, who did the nomination, it just really transformed the building and the property for me. Learning the history of it and all the people that were there and all of the things that it's been just made it so exciting and it was very connected to it. And I feel like the people that have been there before were very interested in honoring those folks and all different things that its been. So, yeah, very exciting. 

Speaker 1 [00:08:30] That's great! I'm always struck by the imagination that feels like is always part of the first step of a great preservation project. And people always can just see what it was and what it can become. That's always quite a special vision. And I loved hearing you describe all of that, Antonia. I hear that often from people who do successful projects, like they can literally just see it in their minds as they're walking through a structure. So it is like always inspiring to hear all of that. And I'm glad to hear Brandon that even though maybe you were a little more reluctant, that you now really are feeling connected to those who came before with this building. So can you tell us how you are pulling this back to life? What is the business purpose that you are all using this building for? And we spend. 

Speaker 2 [00:09:36] But you know, quite a while sitting on the property and everything that we thought of, I owned a yoga studio before and I had considered and actually we were looking for a building to reopen a yoga Studio, but it just didn't utilize this magnificent garden, we would never be able to use the entire property. And it just doesn't feel right. As much as that's what I wanted to do with it, I didn't feel like it was honoring of what the property had to offer. And one day we were actually driving from west of the property into town. And so we passed it and it just hit me. We had gone to, some people may be aware of a place called Stanley Market and also the Golden Mill and their tap houses and it's a new trend of self-pure tap. And since we moved to Loveland, what a beautiful town but there's not a restaurant. Or a tap house that has a great patio or a great garden. And it just hit me. And I'm like, you know what? If we had some really dear friends who manage bars in Denver. And I said, I'll tell you what, if we can have them on board with us, I wouldn't hesitate to do this because I know that their family, they're gonna treat it as such, and we'll just bring some amazing life to this building. And it was inspiration from the garden. And from new technology that's out there and for the need of beautiful patio space and us wanting to make sure that I wanted people to experience the property. I didn't want people just to come and do yoga or come and eat a meal or come and have a beer. I wanted it to, literally I wanted them to come in and leave going, wow, that was incredible. And as we learn more and more about the history, I'm just so excited to have a write-up of the history and photos of the history, what a Quonset hut is. So from the moment you walk in, you're experiencing the history of this building, and then when you go into the garden and you see historically what was there and what we've added to the garden, it's just that much more of an experience. And I mean, I get goosebumps just thinking about it. You just don't have anything like that. So I'm, just, I can't, I, can't wait. I can wait to finish all the, all the areas, all the gardens. 

Speaker 1 [00:12:06] Yeah, and hopefully some bohemian beer, right? Oh, for sure. 

Speaker 2 [00:12:10] When we talked about having to bring a German, some sort of element into it, yeah, we haven't quite figured out. We know we want to honor them. Their customers actually blew up, I don't know what size you'd say, a very nice photo of them. And we plan to have that in there with a write-up that they approve in the building so everybody can see having a chronological of the Lamberts, yeah. The last people who owns the Bohemian cottage. But for us learning the history, we want the community to have that same experience. Because like Brandon said, neither one of us, it wasn't on a radar. The State Historic Fund, Historical Society, Colorado Preservation, I don't think the majority, not a lot of people who aren't history buffs are really into that, really know much about that. And one of our favorite things with this project is not just the project itself, But. This light, it's sparked inside of us. We do Ron's walks, Ron Sledek, he does history walks all the time. We've done several of his walks. And it's our new thing, we're like, when we go on trips, we wanna find historical buildings and learn about them. And we want the community to have that same feel and that same sense of, this isn't just an old building, this building has incredible history, come learn about it. And let it spark something. So you want to go out into the community and learn more about the history of Colorado. 

Speaker 1 [00:13:41] So I'm curious how you made the connection to this preservation institutions and resources since you were very, it sounds like new to, were you new to the state and then new to preservation realm? No, I'm a native. I was born in Denver. Okay, that's great. Yeah. 

Speaker 2 [00:14:00] Native of Colorado and just never really thought much about Colorado's history as a native. You know, just shameful. I think a lot of people, it's just not on their radar. And it was we knew we had, we knew the building was 1950s. I also knew we knew that the building is going to need a lot work. And I'm like, I wonder if this would qualify for being a historical property. And so I contacted this historical society and it was Damien who first did the tour. And when I took him on the tour, and I'm ridiculous when I take you on a tour, like it's ridiculous because I'm, I literally, my soul breathes it. And so, I'm walking you through and telling you, here's what's here and here's I envision here. And Damien just took the ride and he was just floored by the property. And to see him have just as much enthusiasm as I'm trying to project onto other people was just incredible. And I knew immediately after Damien left that there was a partnership. And it was through Damien that everything kind of led us to a Colorado preservation and the state historic fund and everything just kind of trail to where we are today. 

Speaker 1 [00:15:23] That's excellent. I think you will find that we love old buildings here. And so we can match just about anybody's enthusiasm when they want to share their fantastic sites. So it is wonderful to hear that Damien, who is fantastic from our team, was able to travel along and see the building through your eyes. Where does the project stand now? How is it going? Oh, goodness, boy, that's a load. 

Speaker 2 [00:15:54] Question. Yeah, you know, we've had to learn patience with this project. And a lot of that came in from the county. It's not easy. And, and you know I want to be really respectful here with everything. Here's the thing. I think, A, we didn't know what it would take to get a business approved in Larimer County, not knowing. I think we would have done things very differently. We're learning a lot as we go. B, working with the historical aspect of it. And, you know, I have these grand plans and visions and coming together and working together with the Historical Society. It's all just been such a learning experience. But the biggest thing is everybody has a timeline and everybody has the process that they have to go through for approval. And that hasn't, when we're so excited to get the doors open, that's probably been our biggest hardship. I mean, we're year three of owning this building, two years, you know, working into this and it's taken a long time to get to where we are and we haven't even touched the building itself. So this has all been paperwork and, you now, some of the studies that we had to do with the county, a C-dot wasn't exactly easy to work with. Gosh, and the money that we have sunk into, literally, the paperwork, we would have never, I mean, we're tapping into funds we never thought we would even touch. But at this point, we so believe in this property and this project that I would literally sell. I may have my organs for sale at the end of this thing because it's happening one way or another. But yeah, where we are right now, our architectural drawings, our construction drawings, Hopefully we're being told they're going to be done end of April, early May. And at that point then we'll apply for construction permits and start the building. And I'll tell you what, there's going to one happy Italian woman with a glass of wine watching the first people and just watching them finally after two and a half years. And it will be a day of celebration. So know that there's somebody smiling all day long up there when you see. That they're finally hitting the building, so. 

Speaker 1 [00:18:24] It takes imagination and endurance and some faith here. We are really grateful that you seem to have all of those, and yeah, I know, and part of it is all of these different entities have different processes and you put all of those together and that is part of what gets complicated. We have no idea. 

Speaker 2 [00:18:52] How complicated it would get. And had we to do it all over again, we would still do the historical aspect of it. I mean, that absolutely, 100%. I think the hardest part was not knowing what we were going to go through. I think if I had any advice to give anyone going into this, it would be to ask somebody who's already been through this. I think knowledge would have helped us along the way, not only with some of the decisions that we've made. But also with the patience with the duration of time that it's taken. Just being naive to the whole process and ignorant to the hope process did make it very difficult when we're eager to get the doors open and to get the project done. But ultimately, where we stand now, again, we believe so much in the project that it could take 10 years and we're in. You know, we're all in, it doesn't matter. And we know that the doors are gonna open when they're supposed to open. And we're doing the journey, we're doing the walk, that doesn't mean that we're not making sure everybody's doing their job and staying on track. And that's something that's been probably the hardest thing. I'm not somebody who wants to get after somebody when I feel like they're not following a timeline. And that that's a role I've had to take on. And I don't like that role, but it's been necessary for me to keep us moving forward. But, ultimately... We hope to open 2027. I mean, that's the hope at this point. We keep pushing that hope. And at this time, again, when the doors open, that's when the door are supposed to open. And I know it's gonna be a glorious day. 

Speaker 3 [00:20:35] Acquiring a commercial property, right? It's been a business essentially all of its life, 75 years. Never would have imagined it would take so long to reopen doors, right. And I guess you think about that, that it is a 75 year old piece of property and now we're needing to bring it up to 2025 standards, right, so we're dealing with CDOT and how they want things done on the highway. Larimer County, they're very proud of their code compliance. They They tell me they are leading the nation with that. So here's this building that's 75 years old and now we're having to deal with EV parking. That's something that we have to account for here. The new energy standards, making sure that it's going to meet those codes. So there's a lot of stuff that I never would have considered, but that's what we're learning as we go along the way things. So there are plenty of challenges, but as Antonia said... It's going to be well worth the wait, 100%. 

Speaker 2 [00:21:37] I think when Brandon was saying some of the things that have been negative when we first encountered them, like having to have the EV parking, that was such a frustration because it was a huge expense and already we had to do a lot of studies that were thousands of dollars, drainage studies, fire studies, and taking the EV Parking into consideration. We're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe the business down the road doesn't have to have EV parking. Why do we have to have even parking? And you always have to reset yourself. What is the positive in this? Yeah, they don't have EV parking down the road. So where are they gonna have to go to plug in their car and where might they wanna grab a bite and have a drink, right? So we're always trying to turn something that's a source of frustration. And this is happening for a reason. Why is it? Like the fire study, why does this happen? I mean, we were just evacuated last year and the harsh fire study happened before then. These things are, while they're... Not awesome to pay for them and it's and when you're not expecting it and when you have to wait for the studies to come back and it's a duration of time it's more people who have a say in your property ultimately what is everything that we've encountered it's for a better community in general right and I think that that's why I said at the beginning of this the more knowledge you have going into something like this I mean we literally jumped into this No clue. Come to us. Let us talk to you. Let us tell you, we will gladly tell you our journey and help you understand what you're about to encounter and endure, maybe ways to make it easier, but ultimately help you to understand why, which is what we've had to do. We've had just sit back for a minute and say, but why? Why do we pay this fee? How is this good? You know, we want to be a positive thing in this community, not a detriment to this community. So all of these entities that have a safe about something on this property are doing it for a good reason. The things that have been harder when people are on vacation constantly, when we are, you know, it seems like every time we submit something, somebody's on vacation, or people sit on emails for weeks at a time, when you don't have the same passion and excitement that we do, you're not driven as, I mean, we're very driven on this properly. And it's hard to put that spark into. People who are just doing their daily jobs, you know, that we can't control. That's hard to find the positive spin on that. 

Speaker 3 [00:24:09] Well, it is our only project. It is not the county's only project 

Speaker 1 [00:24:15] Yes. Well, you will be great role models when you are done celebrating the opening of this. And really, I do think that idea of really knowing, getting rid of that uncertainty, makes these projects infinitely more doable. We often hear that from folks that If we can eliminate, there's always going to be uncertainty, right? There's always like the pipe you didn't know about that needs fixing and all of that kind of stuff. But there are things that are, you know, knowable. And when you start on a journey, the more we can make these things knowable from the get-go, People can plan for them, they can budget for them. And it just makes, you know, maybe it would make less people jump in, but those that do would just have a whole lot more clarity about what they were, you now, getting themselves into and make sure that they've got the capital to pull it off. Because what you don't want is to spend a bunch of, you know capital and then not get to the finish line. Yeah, yeah, you said budget and I was like, what is that word? 

Speaker 2 [00:25:32] Yeah, we had a very specific budget going into this and we've definitely changed that. Ultimately, we're all in and the doors are going to open and we help the community. And you know what? I think another driving factor is the community has been incredibly supportive of the outreach that we've had. And, I mean, we have people asking to do weddings and- 50th birthdays and we've had so many, I can't even tell you how countless number of people wanting to do events here on this property and we haven't even opened the doors and people who just want to see the rebirth of it, you know, and everything brought back to life. And so that community support is certainly a driving factor and we know that our community is going to come out of support as once those doors open. 

Speaker 1 [00:26:25] That's always a factor when you're doing preservation. You know, these are structures that in many ways belong in some way, shape or form to a larger group of folks, right? To the community at large. And so there's a moment where you take a project like this on and you've got like a group of champions and cheerleaders who are behind you and that can feel. Great that's like that encouragement that is behind you and then sometimes can also feel you know like additional responsibility you know to make sure that you are honoring uh the things that people you know want to see you know it can be both a responsibility and um encouragement It can be hard and good all at once. 

Speaker 2 [00:27:17] Mentioning that the responsibility, I've said that so many times. And once we hit on the historical aspect of it, there wasn't a big responsibility that came from that. And when you don't have the education, you know, that these historians that we're working with, do have it, it's a, and somebody who has a vision like myself, I mean, I literally see these beautiful spaces, you know, we. There's a broken down coop and I'm going to turn this into a conservatory. And, you know, we have these visions, but we do have this beautiful historical property that we have to honor the integrity of. And so it's balancing new history with old history and making sure we're responsibly doing that is. Definitely, I mean, that was a great word that you said that I'm constantly using and I'm constantly having to think about as well. So yeah, that's definitely something that we've learned along the way. And I think there should be like a pamphlet on historical buildings and preservation that should be given out before you join us because that's a, you know, that has been definitely, but that's also been what's exciting for us too, is learning the history of this building and. Gosh, I can't wait for people to come see the quonset hut that's revealed and it's exciting. It is exciting. 

Speaker 1 [00:28:39] Can you remind me, are you using preservation tax credits as part of your project? No, not at this 

Speaker 2 [00:28:47] point, and for that reason, mainly because we're almost three years into this, we have to start making, I haven't, I've been out of a job for three years now. This has been my job. And the duration of time that that was going to take to do that, and how often they do that. It's just not something that we can afford the time for anymore. You know, and we had to balance and ask each other, can we afford to not do the credits. And it was a hard decision to turn away from the tax credits. And we hope we made the right decision moving forward with that. I think the biggest thing was, and this is where having knowledge would be really helpful when we started this project and we're working with a historical society and a historical architect. And then when we start dealing with any grants, that opens it up to another pool of people that... Has to go through approvals and then we open it up to tax credits, a whole other pool of people that we need authorizations from. And it got to be very scary for us not knowing if we did accept tax credits would we then not be able to go back, you know, not knowing what restrictions we would have on that. We didn't, we had no idea at the beginning of this. Would be restrictions beyond what we had been told at the beginning, which was honoring the integrity of the fascia, the front of the building. And those things kind of are like a family tree, and they grow with the expectations of preservation, the more entities that get involved. And having known that at the begining, we definitely would have done that differently, and I would have actually had a different vision, I think, for the building too. So while we are moving forward. Preserving and continuing with our architect who specializes in historical preservation. Now we won't be doing the tax credits at this time. 

Speaker 1 [00:30:52] Yeah that's I think an interesting way of thinking about that. I think that kind of growing tree of you know maybe restrictions or just more involvement from outside entities and the uncertainty that that may bring to your project and understanding your concern about that I think that is like a helpful way to understand how people's perspectives might be when you're doing this kind of work. Helpful for me to understand that. 

Speaker 2 [00:31:22] Absolutely. Yeah, I think with the garden, mainly it was because of the garden that made us decide not to do the tax credits, not having as much freedom in the garden. The building we always intended to fully honor the integrity of that, but the garden was a big deal for us to be able to maintain those spaces. And again, the timeline, needing that timeline to, I have to prove we have to start creating and income in on that property for sure. 

Speaker 1 [00:31:55] Well, I think you have given us like some really good lessons that you have learned along the way that I think any number of us that are interested in this kind of work or interested in in taking the plunge and doing a project like this really can learn from. But it is inspiring to hear from you both about both just the vision of walking through this spectacular building and grounds and gardens and seeing what something was and what it could become really connecting with all of these people you know of the past whether you got to meet them in real life or not and see what they gave to this place and how you honoring that but also thinking about how you're going to steward this into the future and serve the community that is there today, like really inspiring. And I really hope you will send an invitation for that first day you start those self-poor taps because I would love to be there. And I mean, just this idea of this beautiful setting and people being able to linger. In this kind of like porch-like setting with this historic place. I mean, I just can't imagine anything better, especially in our beautiful Colorado setting. 

Speaker 2 [00:33:27] Do in the garden, I had talked about putting little pedestals, you know, because we didn't know much about the historical society before, I thought it would be really neat to put where you can scan on your phone, and you know what we went through and some of the entities that we've dealt with, and have it a link to their to their website. I thought that would be a really neat way of honoring that but Yeah, the garden will host a kid park, a dog area, it's gonna be dog friendly. We'll have a conservatory with a library. We are working to put in a honorary military garden because of the history of the building and the community will be able to buy a brick through a brick company. We won't even have any transfer of money. There won't be any, we won't make any money on that. It will just literally be to honor current veteran or a deceased veteran, but we're. Designing up in the upper garden, this beautiful, just serene military park. Um, and then we have this beautiful waterfall area and it's just, it should be, and when you walk in, you'll get a map of the property so that, you know, each of the gardens that there are to visit and we just help people come and they make it a destination. They grab a bite to eat, they'll be full service as well. You don't have to do the self-serve upstairs will be kind of speakeasy style. There'll be a restaurant. We don't know what the restaurant will be yet, but there'll be at least one restaurant on the property. And we hope that people come and stay and linger and leave, feeling like they learned something and then really experienced the property 

Speaker 1 [00:35:03] Yeah, I feel like I might have to move a little bit closer so I can come often after you described all of that. So can you, it sounds like the hope is maybe early 2027 for opening. I'm going to just like put that out in the universe and we can try to manifest that. And then can you describe like where exactly are you for so people who are listening, you can describe how they can easily find you. We are in West Loveland off of Highway 30. 

Speaker 2 [00:35:36] For. We are about 30 minutes east of Estes and just before the entrance into Rocky Mountain National Park. And we are just west of the Sweetheart Winery, a wonderful property as well down the road. And, we sit on the north side of the highway and you can't miss it. It's the 

Speaker 1 [00:36:03] So if you're driving to Rocky Mountain, you will likely see it, if you drive into Rocky Mountain from Loveland, right? 

Speaker 2 [00:36:10] We're right off of Highway 34, we're right off of the highway. 

Speaker 1 [00:36:13] Yes. 

Speaker 2 [00:36:14] And the big horns are constantly here on our property. We have people pulling over at our property all the time because they're standing. We have the rock formation right above us and they just stand up on those rocks just magnificently. And so it's just really neat to see people stop who are either headed to Estes or headed to Rocky Mountain National Forest who are able to get a little preview of what they're going to see on our properties is pretty neat. 

Speaker 1 [00:36:41] Yeah, spectacular. Yes. Well, we just thank you so much for sharing all the incredible work that you're up to, paperwork and otherwise, and truly, I mean, I just can picture it all, bustling and people having a great time. I can see it all too, Antonia. I've got the same imagination going on here from your description. Congratulations on all the work that you too have done and looking forward to witnessing all of your success as this project goes forward. Thanks so much for spending some time with us and we especially thank you so much for all the love and care you're giving to this incredible historic building. 

Speaker 2 [00:37:27] Absolutely. Thank you for the opportunity. 

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